300 Spartans’ Battle of Thermopylae

In the Battle of Thermopylae of 480 BC an alliance of Greek city-states fought the invading Persian army in the mountain pass of Thermopylae.
Vastly outnumbered, the Greeks held back the enemy in one of the most famous last stands of history. A small force led by King Leonidas of Sparta blocked the only road through which the massive army of Xerxes I could pass. After several days of confrontation the Persians attacked but were defeated by heavy losses, disproportionate to those of the Greeks. This continued on the second day but on the third day of the battle a local resident named Ephialtes betrayed the Greeks, revealing a mountain path that led behind the Greek lines.

With the rest of the army dismissed, King Leonidas stayed behind with his bodyguard of 300 Spartans and the 700 man Thespian army even though they knew it meant their deaths, to allow the rest of the army to escape.

The disproportionate losses of the Persian army alarmed Xerxes so that when his navy was later defeated at Salamis he fled Greece leaving only part of his force to finish the job of the conquest of Greece, which was defeated at the Battle of Plataea. The performance of the defenders at the battle of Thermopylae is often used as an example of the advantages of training, equipment and good use of terrain to maximise an army’s potential, as well as a symbol of courage against extremely overwhelming odds. The heroic sacrifice of the Spartans and the Thespians has captured the minds of many throughout the ages and has given birth to many cultural references as a result.

Size of the Persian Army

Xerxes I, king of Persia, had been preparing for years to continue the war against the Greeks started by his father Darius. In 481 BC, after four years of preparation, the Persian army and navy arrived in Asia Minor.

A bridge of ships had been made at Abydos. This allowed the land forces to cross the Hellespont. Herodotus of Halicarnassus, who wrote the first history of this war, gave the size of Xerxes’s army as follows:

Fleet crew: 517,610
Infantry: 1,700,000
Cavalry: 80,000
Arabs and Libyans: 20,000
Greek allies: 324,000
Total: 2,641,610

Greek preparations

A congress was called in Corinth in late autumn of 481 BC, headed by the militaristic Sparta, whose supremely disciplined warriors were trained from birth to be the best soldiers in Greece and among the fiercest in the ancient world. Very little is known about the internal workings in the congress or the discussion during its proceedings.

Funeral orations though have been criticised since antiquity for not being historically correct but rather an exercise in flattery. While this was probably Themistocles’ strategy it is probably not what the congress of Corinth, which was dominated by Sparta, decided. More probably its decision was that the way to victory was to wear down the Persian Army and hold it in the north as long as possible until it was forced out of the country due to attrition, epidemics, and lack of food.

Topography of the battlefield and Greek forces

At the time, the mountain pass of Thermopylae consisted of a pass so narrow that two chariots could barely move abreast—on the western side of the pass stood the sheer side of the mountain, while the east side was the sea. Along the path was a series of three «gates», and at the center gate a short wall that had been erected by the Phocians in the previous century to aid in their defense against Thessalian invasions. It was here in August of 480 BC that an army of some 7,000 Greeks, led by the 300 Spartans of the royal guard, stood to receive the full force of the Persian army, numbering perhaps some sixty times its size. The Greek army included according to Herodotus the following forces:

Spartans: 300
Mantineans: 500
Tegeans: 500
Arcadian Orchomenos: 120
Other Arcadians: 1,000
Corinthians: 400
Floians: 200
Mycenaeans: 80
Thespians: 700
Thebans: 400
Phocians and Opuntan Locrians: 1,000
Total forces: 5,200

To this number we have to add 1,000 other Lacedemonians mentioned by Diodorus Siculus and some perhaps 800 auxiliary troops from other Greek cities. Diodorus gives 4,000 as the total Greek troops, and Pausanias 11,200. It has been argued that this force was only intended to slow and not stop the invasion force. However it seems that the Athenians at least felt confident that this army and Leonidas’ presence were enough to stop the Persians, otherwise they would have already vacated their city and sent their whole army to Thermopylae.

According to Herodotus the main reason that a force this small was sent was that the Spartans were awaiting the end of the Karneia Festival and the other Greeks the end of the Olympic Games. It is more probable, though, that a small force was sent because the site favored a small defending force. We know of one case in which a small force did stop a larger invading force from the north; in 353 BC/352 BC the Athenians managed to stop the forces of Philip II of Macedon by deploying 5,000 hoplites and 400 horsemen.

Knowing the likely outcome of the battle, Leonidas selected his men on one simple criterion: he took only men who had fathered sons that were old enough to take over the family responsibilities of their fathers. The rationale behind this criterion was that the Spartans knew their death was almost certain at Thermopylae. Plutarch mentions, in his Sayings of Spartan Women, that after encouraging her husband before his departure for the battlefield, Gorgo, the wife of Leonidas I asked him what she should do when he had left. To this, Leonidas replied:

Marry a good man, and have good children.

When Xerxes reached Thermopylae, he sent emissaries to the Greek forces. At first he asked Leonidas to come on his side and offered him to be king of all of Greece. Leonidas answered:

If you knew what is good in life, you would abstain from wishing for foreign things. For me it is better to die for Greece than to be monarch over my compatriots (Plutarch, Moralia, 225, 10)

Then Xerxes asked him more forcefully to surrender their arms. To this Leonidas gave his very famous answer:

Come take them

The Battle

When scouts initially informed Xerxes of the size of the Greek force, and of the Spartans who were performing preparations which included naked calisthenics and combing their hair, Xerxes found the reports laughable. Not understanding the ritual significance of the Spartan preparations as the actions of men with the resolution to fight to the end, he expected the force to disband at any moment and waited four days for the Greek force to retreat. When they did not, he became increasingly frustrated by what he perceived as foolish impudence on the part of the small Greek force. On the fifth day Xerxes ordered his troops into the pass.

The Greeks deployed themselves in a phalanx, a wall of overlapping shields and layered spearpoints, spanning the entire width of the pass. The Persians, armed with arrows and short spears, could not break through the long spears of the Greek phalanx, nor were their lightly armoured men a match for the superior armour, weaponry and discipline of the Greek hoplites. Because of the terrain, the Persians were unable to surround or flank the Greeks, thus rendering their superior numbers almost useless. Greek morale was high.

Herodotus wrote that when Dienekes, a Spartan soldier, was informed that Persian arrows were so numerous that they blotted out the sun, he remarked with characteristically laconic prose, «So much the better, we shall fight in the shade.»

At first Xerxes sent in the Medes, perhaps because he preferred them for their bravery or perhaps, as Diodorus Siculus suggested, because Xerxes wanted them to bear the brunt of the fighting—the Medes had been only recently conquered by the Persians. Along with them he sent relatives of those who had fallen at the battle of Marathon ten years earlier. According to Ctesias the first wave numbered 10,000 soldiers under Artapanus.

Enormous casualties were sustained by the Persians as the disciplined Spartans who sought to maximise enemy casualties orchestrated a series of feint retreats, followed by a quick turn back into formation. Waves upon waves of soldiers would go to the front, stepping upon the bodies of their dead comrades, only to die. Ctesias writes that Xerxes sent 20,000 more men driven by whip-wielding officers who flogged them whenever they retreated ; these fared no better. Fifty thousand more Persians attacked on the second day of battle, but were repelled. After watching his troops fall before the Greeks, Xerxes decided to send in the legendary Persian Immortals. Leonidas arranged a system of relays between the hoplites of the various cities so as to constantly have fresh troops on the front line. Yet in the heat of the battle the voracity [of the Greeks] was such that the units did not rotate out but continued to fight and overcame the bounds of the battle to kill many of the elite Persians—even the Immortals lacked the power to break the determined and driven phalanx, and they, too, were forced to retreat with heavy casualties. The casualties on the Greek side were small : Ctesias claims that the first 10,000 Persians killed only two or three Greeks. It seemed that with regular reinforcements the Greeks could go on ad infinitum.

After the second day of fighting, a local shepherd named Ephialtes defected to the Persians and informed Xerxes of a separate path through Thermopylae, which the Persians could use to outflank the Greeks. The pass was defended by 1,000 Phocians, who had been placed there when the Greeks learned of the alternate route just before the battle ; they were not expecting to engage the Persians. Xerxes sent Hydarnes with the Immortals through the pass. Surprised by the Persian attack, the Phocians offered only a brief resistance before retreating higher up the mountain to regroup. Instead of pursuing them, however, the Persians simply advanced through the pass unopposed. For this act, the name Ephialtes means «nightmare» and is synonymous with «traitor» in Greek.

Final stand of the Spartans and Thespians

Leonidas, realizing that further fighting would be futile, dismissed all Greek forces save the surviving Spartans and Thebans on August 11; the Spartans having pledged themselves to fight to the death, and the Thebans held as hostages as Thebes’ loyalty to Greece was questioned. However, a contingent of about 700 Thespians, led by Demophilus, refused to leave with the other Greeks. Instead, they chose to stay in the sacrificial effort to delay the advance and allow the rest of the Greek army to escape. The significance of the Thespians’ refusal to leave should not be ignored.

The Spartans, as brave as their sacrifice indubitably was, were professional soldiers, trained from birth to be ready to give their lives in combat as Spartan law dictated. Conversely, the Thespians were citizen-soldiers (Demophilus, for example, made his living as an architect) who elected to add whatever they could to the fight, rather than allow the Spartans to be annihilated alone. Though their bravery is often overlooked by history, it was most certainly not overlooked by the Spartans, who are said to have exchanged cloaks with the Thespians and promised to be allies for eternity.

The fighting was said to have been extremely brutal, even for hoplite combat. As their numbers diminished the Greeks retreated to a small hill in the narrowest part of the pass. The Thebans took this opportunity to surrender to the Persians. After their spears broke, the Spartans and Thespians kept fighting with their xiphos (short swords), and after those broke, they were said to have fought with their bare hands, teeth and nails.

The Greeks killed many Persians, including two of Xerxes’ brothers. In this final stand, Leonidas was eventually killed; rather than surrender, the Spartans fought fanatically to defend his body. To avoid losing any more men, the Persians killed the last of the Spartans with flights of arrows.

Aftermath

When the body of Leonidas was recovered by the Persians, Xerxes, in a rage at the loss of so many of his soldiers, ordered that the head be cut off, and the body crucified. The mutilation of a corpse, even one of the enemy, carried a great social stigma for the Persians, and it was an act that Xerxes was said to have deeply regretted afterwards. Forty years after the battle Leonidas’ body was returned to the Spartans, where he was buried with full honors and funeral games were held every year.
While a tactical victory for the Persians, the enormous casualties caused by less than a thousand Greek soldiers was a significant blow to the Persian army.

Monuments at site

There is an epitaph on a monument at site of the battle (which was erected in 1955) with Simonides’ epigram, which can be found in Herodotus’ work The Histories (7.228), to the Spartans:

Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,
that here, obedient to their laws, we lie

or a more strictly literal:

Oh foreigner, give a message to the Lacedaemonians
that here lie we, their words obeying.

Another translation (by Michael Dodson, 1951) captures the spirit of enduring service to the state which was taught to all Spartan warriors:

Friend, tell the Spartans that on this hill
We lie obedient to them still.

Frank Miller, in his comic series 300, translated it still differently:

Go tell the Spartans, passerby,
That here, by Spartan law, we lie

Additionally, there is a modern monument at the site, called the «Leonidas Monument» in honor of the Spartan king. It reads simply: «Come and take them.».

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250 Comments on “300 Spartans’ Battle of Thermopylae”

  1. dalton Says:

    fucking awsome it is about time some one told this story this is by far the best site i have ever been on in my life

    • bob Says:

      i always thought it was just 300 Spartans vs half a million Persians but now i know thanks

      • justin Says:

        Im sorry but this is true but not ounce did it state that the arcadians stayed with the spartans with 1000 troops so it was 1300 not 300 if 300 they would have been killed almost in an instant

    • bob Says:

      oh i forgot the movie is AWESOME]
      SO worth bye if your thinking about it do it

      • RayfromNY Says:

        Justin is not a historian. There have been many cases where Greek and later Roman soldiers have defeated much larger forces because they were just better soldiers with much better general. Look up Battle of Alesia and see what Caesar did when he was greatly out numbered and attacked from both the front and the rear.

    • RJP Says:

      …and it would have remained awesome until you ruined it with your profanity. Get a dictionary and broaden your linguistic horizons.

  2. berowl Says:

    Well, thanks very much dalton! ^^ You must be the first one to ever write this compliment on my site lol. But this was the purpuse as I myself search in every corner of Internet and Herodotus’ books something about this fabulous battle.

    Thanks anyway!

  3. James Says:

    Having a degree in ancient history and been to Greece and Thermopylae I have to say that this is one of the best and most accurate descriptions of the battle that I’ve run across. Great job.

  4. berowl Says:

    Well, thanks james (again a good comment!!^^ lol). I can be proud of what I’ve done I think now…
    If anyone has new information about this battle, do not hesitate to comment!

  5. Daniel Says:

    That is an excellent synopsis of the battle, and other peripheral circumstances. Well done.

  6. jim Says:

    well, excellent job berowl.i am from greece and i must say that you were accurate one houndred per cent about the whole story of the battle of thermopylae.bravo. i saw the trialer of 300 and it was awesome!!!!i found the song with piano(nine inch nails-just you imagined) but i cannot find the other song,with the chorus at the beginnig.could anyone help me????i would really appreciate

  7. berowl Says:

    thank you very much jim, as you are from greece, I take your comment very seriously and I’m honored this post pleased you.
    I too found almost immidiatly the nine inch nails’ song but like you I haven’t found anything for the chorus. I’m related to someone who could find it… Still I can’t garanty anything.

    Thanks for your comment and contact you for the song.
    berowl

  8. berowl Says:

    and thank you daniel too.

  9. Irishmen Says:

    Wow.. that is not historically accurate at all… the Persian army recorded by the majority of historians estimates the Persian army to be around 25 to 30 thousand men and the Greek force in total to be around 14 thousand before the Spartans and Thespians were left to the pass.

    The movie 300 is based on a fictional comic.

    Jesus christ people.. 2 million????? LOL

    • Spartan at Heart Says:

      Dude you are very wrong. the greek and persian numbers are actually pretty accurate. I’m a greek historian, and I’ve talked to many others in my field. Good job berowl.

    • Costas Says:

      yo….. fuck you…. you are just upset that there has never been 300 Irishmen fighting against a force of over 2 million…. If that did happen, all the irish soldiers would of died before the first day was over.

  10. berowl Says:

    yes it’s a bit exagerated…lol…a bit.
    And know also tha t the comics 300 is more based on the myth from thermopilae than the historic facts even if it is really close to it.

  11. Leonidas Says:

    Your site is pretty historically accurate, oh and 28,000 Persians died under 300 Spartans lol. Damn thats awesome. Ima go and see 300. Seems like a good movie. Its not 2 million but like one mil and a couple of hundred thousand guyz. .

  12. Leonidas Says:

    Hey, I never knew they fought with nails. How the hell do you fight with nails unless their like 6 inches. I also never would have known that the Greeks and Thespians switch cloak. Oh and the first 10,000 Greeks only killed 3 Greeks??????!!!!!!
    About the phalanxes, I play Rome Total War and the info on here is pretty accurate. Those formations can kill like 50 guyz without losing any casualties. Remember Thermopylea.

    • JohnBondi Says:

      I know I’m two years late for this discussion but I believe that the nails referred to were fingernails…Anyhow I must compliment the author on such a concise retelling. Cheers.

      • Costas Says:

        By the 3rd day, the spartans weapons were so worn out that they had to fight with their hands and anything that they had left


    • apparently you have never been in hand to hand combat…nor thumb nailed an eye out of your enemy…

  13. berowl Says:

    Waou
    Incredible. Seems like I’m not the only one to appreciate awesome historical facts and good movies (I expect). Thanks for your comments :)!

  14. robin Says:

    hi i think that this story is great and i like the additional writing about the monument. i also think it is marveless that someone is interested in things that happened hundereds of years ago. (and i hope now everyone can enjoy the bravery and sheer skill of the spartans and how loyal they were to their king). thanks for writing it.

  15. Mike Says:

    What an awe-inspiring tale!! Almost as cool as Samson vs. 1000 Philistines!!
    I LOVE IT!!!

  16. berowl Says:

    I’m glad you all enjoyed it !!! 🙂

  17. Aaron Says:

    I really just want to know the total number of people that the Spartans ended up killing before they all died?????? Does anybody know, because I have been searching and can not find a total number??

  18. Juls Says:

    I am interested in knowing…what happened to the traitor, Ephialtes?

  19. berowl Says:

    I think I remember having read somewhere he lived quite long in exile. Like Leonidas wished, Ephialtes lived in shamed and died poor and miserable… If I remember correctly. If this is not it, he must have been killed by persians or spartans.

  20. John Mac Says:

    Someone asked what became of Ephialtes . I quote http://joseph_berrigan.tripod.com/id28.html

    Ephilates[sic] expected to be rewarded by the Persians but this came to nothing when they were defeated at the Battle of Salamis. He then fled to Thessaly with a bounty on his head. According to Herodotus he was killed for an apparently unrelated reason by Athenades of Trachis around 479 B.C.

  21. berowl Says:

    Waou this a great site !
    Lots of ancient pictures !
    Thanks for linking and quoting. But it was quite sure the fate of Ephiliates would be different. Sources around the world and historical facts and notes or always different about this point.

  22. JV: Says:

    I honor Leonidas and the other Spartans for their Bravery… a moment of Silence ….

  23. bob Says:

    I once saw a movie on cable depicting this battle. Do You know of it or recall it’s title ?

  24. berowl Says:

    The only movie made was “The 300 Spartans”. But it’s an old movie (1962).

  25. james Says:

    i need to know more about how many persians died during the war of thermoplylae.

  26. james Says:

    i know they have a new movie called 300 that is coming out in theatres.

  27. keith says Says:

    the story of the 300 spartans shows that brave men that believe in each other, prove that there are certain things worthliving and dieing for

  28. Hoffman Says:

    There’s something to be said about that level of commitment and sacrifice. It can’t be found anymore, there’s very few who understand the meaning of honor and bravery, especially in the face of those odds! I read a comment that said that each Spartan killed about 100 men each! That’s insane! The sheer movement of Xerxex’s army must have thundered the ground, and they held their formation, and bravely cut down 100 a peice! I hear that this is “one” of the most famous last stands, It would take a LOT to compare with those figures… Thanks for putting this on here, the modern world needs stories like this to remind us of what we lost to become “modern”… 🙂 If you ask me, I’d stay living without all the benifits of modern technology if we could only have some leaders that support honor and bravery again. Thanks again man

  29. persianArmy Says:

    This is not a fact but pure fiction. Only a stupid person would believe such a tale. 300 vs. 2,641,610. Were any you there to record what happened? Aincient history is written by those who won battles and they tend to exagerate the facts.

  30. berowl Says:

    I was cautious about my post and I said it was yes an historical battle, but also an ancient story which was written by grecs, which means the exagerate things. But they where not 300 at first, this was only the end, according to Spartan law, they could’nt leave the battlefield. And the 300 haven’t won. Yes they killed much of the Persian army but lost. At first. Because Spartans came back with all their force and killed all Persians in a second time.

  31. JTAC Says:

    The movie only really showed the 300 Spartans, but didn’t show the other almost 5,000 people that supported the effort. But, 5,000 against 200,000 is more realistic. Can’t believe that the Persians really had 2.6 million. How many casualties are estimated that the Persians suffered in this battle?

  32. Jake Says:

    I just saw the new movie, it was very historical correct for a block buster. also it did,nt aknoklege the other 6700 Greeks that fought at that day.
    Otherwize, i greatly admire the 300 spartans who fought in a war and died for there country, and freedom. Kind of like a midevil revolutionary war at the persains.

  33. Jake Says:

    Also i belive the king of the spartans died on the dawn of the 3rd day,
    the exaderation on arrows was really unbelivaalbe , also the persains did’nt shot arrows till the 3rd day when the attack from behind didn’t work they retrieted and shot them with arrows for a few arrows eventually killed all the Greeks defending the pass.

  34. Jake Says:

    Does anyone know what happend after the 300 died?
    The movie just says that 10,000 spartans attacked the spartans.

    if u know just post it.

  35. berowl Says:

    10,000 Spartans attacked the persians you mean…

  36. Jake Says:

    sorry, little mistake.

  37. Jake Says:

    But do you know if that is correct?
    Do the Greeces hold off the invasion?

  38. Maximus Says:

    wow this is incredibaly accurate. i have read nearly all of the comments and and ive noticed a pattern to the negative ones that are if you will siding with the persians. it is that they focus on the fact that the 300 defeated the persians when in all reality it never states that anywhere. it only states the amazing stance that the spartans took against the persians. each spartan killed about 28 on average before he died. that is a fact. well done berowl. hats off to you.

  39. berowl Says:

    Thanks Maximus (Meridius? General of the troups of the north leading the pheonix armies, abediant to the true ceasar, Marcus Aurelius?…._sorry about that).
    And again thank you, you must have read the entire post, contrary to some and I appreciate you mention the fact that the 300 Spartans never won against the persians. They won time against persians by fighting them which is great because they stood 4 days, and remember persians were quite a lot compared to the spartans.

    What we remember, what history remembers about this battle is how 300 men stood against slavery and tyrany to defend freedom over Greece, even if they where greatly outnumbered. This historical is must of all known because of the differences between the 2 armies: their sizes…

    Thanks for your comment maximus.

  40. alex p. Says:

    As a kid,growing up in the old country, my grandfather used to tell me great stories about the Greeks and Romans.As I grew up I found out that this stories were actually based on historical facts. After moving to this country I started frequenting libraries and reading as much as I could about Grek and Roman history. My point is that as many times as I’ve read about Leonidas and his 300 Spartans,I still see the flying of the arrows oblitarating the sun, the clashing of the armies,the shouts and cries of the combatants,the howling of the wind, bodies falling askew in distorted and eccentric shapes, drops of blood becoming rivers and the silence of death. Leonidas and his 300 Spartans is a story that will live through the ages because it ennobles the human spirit. Needless to say I enjoyed the movie.

  41. david Says:

    nice job!

  42. xer Says:

    im gonna go see the movie thanks for the semi correct info i did a research project on the spartans in college and thanks to this site it brought back alot of info i forgot thanks all..

  43. Nick Says:

    This is highly accurate, good job. I can’t stand the people who say that the entire story is fake. The Spartans really did hold the ground for a good while, and took out many before they died.

  44. berowl Says:

    THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS
    I REALLY ENJOY THEM (especially when it’s congratulations LOL)

    I don’t feel useless^^
    thanks again

    berowl

  45. Peter Pavlakos Says:

    You did a very good job of describing what happened. I learned of the battle from my father who learned it from his father and so on.
    The facts are real : 300 Spartans defended the Hot Gates along with their allies and sacrificed themselves to delay ( Not) defeat the Persians. They knew very well what they were getting themselves into when they marched to Thermopolye. That is the reason Leonidas wanted Spartans who were fathers with sons that would take over their duty’s later.
    To the non-believer’s the incredible size of the Persian army is understandable because if you can understand the logistic’s of moving any army whatever size, included in that army are the ones that handle the food, clothing, armour ,transport, and women, wives ,etc. Before the 20th century that’s how army’s operated without the support they could not function. That is why the number is huge. Look up the facts, there is alot of info out there.
    Ephiliates the traitor is used in greek now to mean exactly that – TRAITOR. So yes he will always be remembered.
    I am proud of my Spartan heritage, both my parents and my ancestors come from Laconia – Sparta. The upside down V on their shield is the letter L in greek which the Spartans proudly displayed for the area they came from – Laconia. That’s where the word Lacedaemonians is derived from, meaning citizens of Laconia.
    Yes, you can thank the Spartans for their sacrifice which in turn frustrated and delayed the Persians which in turn led to their eventual defeat which most of us know saved Western civilization from a Muslim dominance. I apologize if I sound as a racist, but I’m not. I’m just proud that I’m a SPARTAN!

  46. Kasper Ko Says:

    Just a quick message of appreciation for all the work and genuine passion shown here in this site and forum.

    I found it very exhilerating.

    I also would like to mention that if the Iranian idiotic leadership of today does not start behaving itself in a manner that is civilised and appropriate for the better life on earth then they can expect 300 spartans of a different kind raining onto their cities,

    It just makes me mad as hell that all the good people in Iran have to pay for the madness of a minority of religious and criminal madmen. They will however pay this because we will not tollerate their BS any longer.

  47. Ashwin, Tanveer, Amit Says:

    Reading this website when we are going to watch the 300 movie tomorrow. Find it very interesting. What a great warriors Spartans were. It looks accurate. Waiting for tomorrow to watch the movie 300.

  48. berowl Says:

    History Channel look at the Battle of Thermopylae

    It’s the link to a documentary about the battle of thermopylae and the 300.

  49. jun Says:

    great work. amazing accuracy. of course frank miller’s work is more theatrical in nature, but your historical account is one that should be remembered. just one question though. how come the old leaders and kings like leonidas (even xerxes for that matter) are better, stronger, braver and more responsible than those of today who hide behind massive buildings and caves? i hope the story and the legend of the battle of thermopilae would live on and that the ideals of leonidas would not be ignored by every leader of every nation in the world.

  50. berowl Says:

    I hope this too. People like Leonidas used to believe in freedom and justice, yes this is a bit utopic, but they used to fight and die for their beliefs. Now people and especially or gouvernors think about themselves above any other thoughts… It’s sad and I think or society is going to drown itself if it keeps this way….


  51. Interesting site: I wasn’t aware that it was “Thespians” who stayed behind, who would have thought that a bunch of mimes could be so effective? I guess thats where the fighting with nails came from LOL

    For posters who are interested in the Spartans this site has many good links – http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/n-s/spartans4.html

  52. Jake Says:

    I’ve read all of these amazing coments on this fabulous web page, berowl you’ve done an amazing job and as you can see from all these posts-you’ve become very popullar over the pass few months or so.

    So i feel to give a part of my graditude for showing the MOST acurret discription of the 300… story i’ve seen.

    By the way i’m wondering why would you do this, you know; write a big story on the 300 hunderd spartens? I’m only 13 by the way and i’m a historyen freek (thats why my spellings off) but i already new alot of the facts about the 300… story and i’ve really learned some amazing things.

    But do you know what happened after the 300 hundered died? Did they beat off the persion’s or what, thats were my knowlege is hazy.

    Thanks Again for the Info!!!!!!!

  53. berowl Says:

    I wrote all this page because I was interested by the 300. I saw the first trailer of the movie and said to myself:”waou, I have to know more about them”. I made a huge research on the internet and like me you have seen there’s not much things, I mean facts or real descriptions… But my father has many books and especially greek phylosopher books. So I read some parts, searching things about Thermopylae and found all what you can read above. Of course I summ up the essential that is to say number of forces, the battle, and all this.

    After the 300 died.
    Xerxes in his madness took Leonidas’ body and cut his head. He expoxed it every where he went. But this (take a king’s body after battle and returning it to greek people) was absolute scandal even for persians.
    After the kings’ message to the consul, the entire Spartan army (about 10.000 men) was assembled the year after. And as they were the elite of greek warriors, they commanded the rest of the greek army (30.000 men). In a final stand they killed every single persian. Xerxes gave back Leonidas’ body 40 years after the first battle in Thermopylae.

  54. berowl Says:

    NoPCThoughtsn
    thanks for the link. Really interesting sites.

  55. Nightmare Says:

    First of all i would like to congratulate the author of this blog for his impressive and consistent work!! A well documented projrct, though the sources are grocely unreliable and a more fantastical then they should be…Never the less, a great job given the circumstances 🙂
    The second point of my comment will of course be about the movie, and personally, i feel that it is the worst historical film i have ever seen. Now i have to go, but i will return with explanations relative to my claim later on. Bye!

  56. Freddy Says:

    THIS WEBSITE SUCKS ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  57. berowl Says:

    Nightmare
    Personaly, I really enjoyed the movie. And I don’t think you should see it as an historical movie. But a fantasy one. Waiting for your reasons 😉
    Thanks for your compliments

    berowl

  58. MAKEDON Says:

    Excellent Summary.

    I am a lifelong student of Ancient Greek History.

    The Greeks had far superior technology, training,
    men, tactics, generalship, fighting on their territory defending, everything to lose, total destruction of their society and family at hand, they chose their battleground, lost the battle, but won the war.

    The West was born.

    Another famous quote,
    “They came to rob us of our poverty.”
    King Leonidas

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    MAKEDON


  59. You all should see The 300 Spartans 1962 movie , it is nicely done but no match for Frank.

  60. binder Says:

    The spartans deserve to be saluted for their bravery. The sikhs also fought many battles and one of them has been recognised by the united nations.The Battle of Saragarhi was fought during the Tirah Campaign on 12 September 1897 between twenty one Sikhs of the 4th Battalion (then 36th Sikhs) of the Sikh Regiment of British India, defending an army post, and 10,000 Afghan and Orakzais tribesmen to the last stand. The battle occurred in the North-West Frontier Province, now a part of Pakistan, which then formed part of British India. The battle has been ranked as one of very few events of such bravery and has been compared to Thermopylae, where a small Greek force faced a large and mighty Persian army of Xerxes (480 BC). UNESCO has described the Battle of Saragarhi as one of eight stories of collective bravery.

  61. MAKEDON Says:

    No 300 = NO The West

    HISTORY CHANNEL DOCUMENTARY, USA

    Highly recommended and historically accurate,
    they mention the significance of battle at end.

    WHICH IS

    No West, No science, math, democracy, philosophy, art, letters, medicine, etc etc etc

    They actually list all this.

    They actually say “lights out on the west”.

    And they mention Philip and Alexander finishing
    off the Persian threat 150 years later spreading Greek knowledge, democracy and all the above mentioned.

    Thats the significance boys and girls.

    Read Herodotus, fun to read.
    Thucydides is a bit thick,
    Xenophon is good, Anabasis is best.

    Any Greeks here, I guarantee you will enjoy all the above.

  62. MUTT Says:

    well done, and thank you. For those interested in the society that made people like the Spartans, may I suggest “A War Like No Other” by Victor Hanson. Hanson has written many books on ancient Greece (and thank you, for such notions as democracy & knowledge for knowledge’s sake) and the armies & warfare of the time. 
    It concerns the Peloponnesian War, the 30 year debacle that destroyed classical Greece. It started just 50 years after thermopylae, and goes into great detail- as much as is known- of Spartan mores and customs.
    the Spartans were so good at what they did, that no army in thier right mind would face them on equal terms. So crops were burned, farmers slaughtered, and city states bankrupted to build ships.
    like too much history, a stupid, sad tale……

  63. PERSIAN SOLDIER Says:

    the greek history is all lies. the science, math, democracy, philosophy, art, letters, medicine, etc all came from persia and the greeks were ever the conqured the broght death and missery. the greeks wrote there own history man dont beleive that.

  64. DARDANIA Says:

    A perfect fighting machines .

  65. Adel Says:

    hey, do u no wat happens after ? when the king is dead and wat i heard that all greeks united to fight the persian army, u got any info about that ? btw amaizing job here.

  66. berowl Says:

    Thanks a lot
    Quite everything you ask is above or in the comments or in the post… Anyway, the spartan army and the the greek one purged all persian army… this is why Greece is what it’s like today… And yes all greeks cormed an army, a huge one but smaller thean the persian one. But again they where fighters, not slaves….

    berowl

  67. Cisco Says:

    I saw the movie several days ago and all I can say is WOW !!!

    It was a very good movie that portrayed very brave men. Accurate or not, the movie was good enough to get me to search online for more info…well now I am here…LOL

    Thanks for the site.

  68. Ali Says:

    This is fake. Persian kicked Greek butt ….. Spartans were just bunch of hom*’s

  69. WAXWIFEY Says:

    ALI YOU SAID SPARTANS WERE HOM*S YEAH RIGHT THATS UR OPINION A REAL MEN LIVE BY HONOR, LOYALTY,INTEGRITY JUST TO NAME A FEW AND THOSE WERE SOME OF THE THING THE SPARTANS LIVED BY

  70. MAKEDON Says:

    @ PERSIAN SOLDIER

    Are you serious, LOL, if you believe that you are a retard. The Greeks invented everything, including the language you are writing and reading right now. Clowns.

    History is what it is.

    This is the history of the West.

  71. timg Says:

    Im with cisco…. mean movie…. and the kings wife was hot

  72. timg Says:

    I think ali is just winding you fulla’s up…. relax cyber gimps

  73. husnain Says:

    ty very much you helped me alot on my report tyvry much

  74. aussie brad Says:

    Wow, what a great history lesson{this site}
    Fantastic movie, watched it 5 time’s already!
    {in dolby is a must!}

    Cheers berowl

  75. berowl Says:

    then we are two aussie brad!!!
    thx

  76. Artin Says:

    You have a good site the numbers are embellished a little. But never the less the story is a good one. Also it does sound very heroic and … The only thing I did not like was the movie (the 300) it was good but as a movie but it did not depict the Persians as human and last I checked every one there was human. The Greeks did what any one would do for there homeland and people. Not to belittle the Greeks sacrifice. I think the movie would have been better if they had not put all that crap on Xerxes and made the imortals look like monster. They were all men most of all they were soldiers Greeks and the Persian immortals were a force to be reckoned with.

  77. Tomfresh Says:

    The greeks form of democracy only exsisted in Athens at this time, and only about 5% of the population could vote. More than half of the spartans were slaves a practice found throughout greece. The persians on the other hand never adopted slavery and governed with ideals of equality for all races and religions, an ‘western ideal’ that has probably only really come into fruition in the last hundred years. Whilst no one can ever remove the incredible sacrifice the spartans and thespians made at Thermopylae for what they believed in, the fact that they may of have given their lives for some questionable beliefs is often forgotten. Democracy as we think of it now was invented by the US and sold to the world by the UK, which is why we’ve been trying to take it back in recent years.

  78. The Spartan Says:

    Ha, ha your funny Tomfresh: “Democracy as we think of it now was invented by the US”
    Where do you think they got the idea in the first place? And if you think Greece was the only country with slavery, you better dip into the history books of every country at that time. Slavery was common practice, because it was economicaly viable. And to write “the fact that they may of have given their lives for some questionable beliefs is often forgotten.” Questionable Beliefs?? The Spartans stood firm and would not let anyone subject them under their rule & governance, so to you it’s not so bad – hey ya we lost the battle – so you can rule my country & people and will be the sheep you want us to be! Thank god for the 300’s sacrifice, because of them I don’t live under someone else’s thumb. Oh and by the way you can’t say “More than half of the spartans were slaves” because they weren’t Spartans they were helots, a conquered people (Mycenians)

  79. Mister Says:

    There were 329,895 Persians. There were 300 Spartans. and 4,783 other Greeks came to help them. I don’t care where you got those other numbers from or who you got the number from but the numbers i have just posted are the actual amount of people who fought at Thermopolae on land.

  80. Tomfresh Says:

    Mr Spartan only Athens was democratic in ancient greece and i think you’ll find that Athenian democracy is very different to modern democracy. For one thing Athenian citizens were allowed to vote on every single motion passing through their parliement/senate, which was quite practicle as so few could vote. Whilst we simply elect a leader to govern in our best interest. So in reality whilst there may be voting on both sides the power the vote gives us is very different. Anyway spartans didn’t believe in freedom they believed in lying down their lives for their absolute rulers, the two kings. They despised the athenian system of governance and i believe it was one of the points that casued a war between the two about 100 years later. That the Athenians won. And the point i was making about slavery is that the persians despised it. They actively discouraged it in all the places they conquered. Though they didn’t ban it as some of the people they conquered claimed it was a way of life and the persians loathed the idea of enforcing they believes on others. The same however cannot really be said of the ancient greeks, let alone the spartans. I mean admitadly their slaves were another race so thats okay isn’t it. The spartans weren’t under anyone’s thumbs but a whole race of people were under theirs so they’re the goodguys. The majority of the most celebrated victories in history were won by the more unpleasent people. Either way speculating about what may have happened if the other side had won is pointless. History has too many twists and turns.

  81. The Spartan Says:

    Hey, Tomfresh just what is your point ? Is it about democracy? Are you upset that Greeks invented it first ? That’s what I’m saying when I said ” that’s where the US got the idea in the first place”. Is it about slavery? Your shaking your finger at the bad Spartan’s because they did that. You critical rant about Sparta dominating another race (which if you didn’t know were Greeks anyways) & then to top it off you say “Anyway spartans didn’t believe in freedom they believed in lying down their lives for their absolute rulers, the two kings. And you also say “The majority of the most celebrated victories in history were won by the more unpleasent people. ” Do you even know what your saying cause your words tell me otherwise. It’s obvious you don’t know what FREEDOM is: As an individual and as a citizen of my Country my freedom is very precious to me & I too would sacrifice my life. For exactly the same reason the 300 did so long ago. If you think they did it for their king you don’t know anything about Sparta. How many countries & nations did Persia conquer before they tried to take over all of Greece ? Your just upset the Spartans and their fellow Greeks put an end to the Persian dream of dominance. So it makes them look like the good guys & Persians as the bad ones, well that’s too bad for you, learn to live with it. Your last statement though made me laugh!: “The majority of the most celebrated victories in history were won by the more unpleasent people. ” What the heck does that mean?
    Hey PersianTomfresh you don’t like the fact that Sparta stood for something and you hate it that they have made the Spartan’s Immortal along with all the other famous Greeks, ie : Achilles & the Great Alexander and everything else that the Greeks have given to this world of ours. We can go on and on about this, but the facts remain: King Leonidas & his fellow 300 will always be known as the defenders of freedom, theirs there fellow greeks and the entire western world & that includes Europe from a muslim dominance.

  82. David uk Says:

    Why argue ? Sparta WWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

  83. Tomfresh Says:

    I am back to do some more trolling woo! Firstly i never said i would of rather the persians won (overall that is), history would have turned out completely differently and it would be impossible to say how the world would of turned out. For one thing neither of us would of likely been born. So the persians were eventually defeated and that is that. My point is that history isn’t so black and white, the persians weren’t the bad guys the spartans weren’t the good guys. Sure the persians went around invading people but they respected other peoples beliefs and customs and rejected slavery. And some of the greeks may have believed in representational forms of governance and they had great scientists and philosphers but they encouraged slavery and killed anyone who didn’t share their beliefs (except for Alexander who quite liked persian ideals). Also if you actually knew a little history you would know that the persians were not muslims they were Zoroastrianists, it is possibly related to Judaism but i’m not sure how deep this link goes (look it up on wikipedia if you’re bothered). Islam didn’t appear until around the 7th or 8th century, i forget which.
    Muslims are a prime example of a group who are always seen as baddies. They are no worse than christians. I mean we all laugh at Ahmadinejad when he says he was sent by god to start a new islamic revolution but Bush went to war in Iraq because apparently god willed him too for christ sake. I expect its easier to criticise those different to you. Which in a round about way leads me back to what i guess my orginal point was, it is usually not so clear cut as good and evil, right and wrong.
    And as for the whole democracy thing, i seriously doubt that the Athenian democracy was the inspiration for modern democracy. I mean they probably didn’t even know about it, there was a 2000 year gap between the indepence of the US and the sacking of Athens by the Romans and the actual study of history didn’t really start until the late 19th century, i mean they obviously knew that the ancient greek civilisations existed, but i doubt any one had researched any of their methods of governance let alone attempt to base their fledgling state’s government on it. Also in an earlier post i said modern democracy was invented by the US. That was wrong it was invented by the dutch in 1581, i should of suspected it. Netherlands is the true home of the free it would seem.

  84. herodotus Says:

    Actually the entire Persian army besides the immortals and the generals were slaves. and there only were 10,000 immortals, not 10,000 were killed. They were all killed. But besides that this site is very accurate.

  85. herodotus Says:

    Persian solder is wrong, way up top, anything non-Hellenic is said to be that way. science, art, and math were split between the two. the Zoroastrianisms had algebra, the Greeks had some others. oh, ya and the Muslim religion is based on the idea on taking over the world. read the book a historically inaccurate guide to Islam, allmost everything is quotes from the Qur’an. but i don’t wont to make this about the terrible preachings of the Islamic religion. or rather cult-made religion.

  86. The Spartan Says:

    Sorry David from UK, I have one more thing to say to Tomfresh : Tomfresh the way you yap your blather tells me the type of character you are. Be glad you were born in this era and not then, cause you would of been slapped around by a Spartan Woman and then enslaved! You can’t even stand behind your statements, you keep changing them and worse you look for facts from wikipedia. You really are a fool! I’ve had enough of your stupid intelect. If you re-read everything we talked about your the only one that’s been critical. I’m done with YOU. This is the last time we speak.

  87. Tomfresh Says:

    Haha typical answer from someone who either can’t be arsed to carry on the discussion, which is fair enough it is hardly thrilling, or maybe doubts their own viewpoint. I believe i stood by my statements, I maintained that modern democracy wasn’t based on ancient democracy and that the ancient greeks weren’t the shining beacon of morality in the ancient world. I did waffle a bit in places but i’m terrible for that kind of thing.
    I would like to know how can you assume to know what kind of character i have by my posts on here? (but i guess you won’t reply as you claim to be done with me, i bet you would love to have another dig at me though) And i recommended YOU to use wikipedia if you wanted to learn more about Zoroastrianism. As its bound to be on there somewhere but, obvioulsy, you don’t need to, unless you want to convert.

  88. herodotus Says:

    Tomfresh, you are an ignorant person. Wikipedea is near the least reliable website ever. A member can cut out anything and put anything in. School children could put that Zoroastrians were part donkey.

  89. Antonio Says:

    WoW !!

    I am an Ancient History fanatic – Please allow me to compliment you on your accuracy and the research you put into this. This has answered many questions that have gone unanswered for so long….including some of my own….

    Q – How familiar are you with the battle of Tyre Island (Alexander the Great)….I would like to know more about this battle…
    Good job…and Thanks again 🙂

  90. MAKEDON Says:

    The Macedonian State was more democratic and federal, imposed on conquered/freed lands,
    The Hellenistic Kingdoms were born paving the way for Christianity, spreading Greek thought, ideas, religion, schools, libraries, etc, creating the Greatest Library at Alexandria, and one of the World’s first Universities, the Ptolymies who were from Upper Macedonia did this, of which
    Cleopatra is the last of the Ptolemies.

    TomFresh, you are not entirely correct,
    you do not know Greek history.

    Greek slavery, walking in Athens you couldn’t tell who was a slave and who was a citizen, also many “slaves” were very wealthy merchants,
    the Helots at Sparta were previous generation enslavers of the Heracledai who came back and made them the underclass. They were the Mycenaen power warring against Troy.

    Also the Athenians were the most brutal slaughtering Greeks for their Empire.

    The Macedonians kept no slaves of any kind.

    People twist Greek history regularly.

  91. MAKEDON Says:

    just read some more of TomFresh

    he knows shit

    Every Greek city state was democratic,
    the Macedonian State was democratic, and
    it was Federally structured, modern democracies and countries have more in common with the Macedonian State than the City States of Greece.

    They created the Hellenistic States, modern scholars call this period the first Western Age.

    If you read the Iliad you will see democracy in action even during war, the King or the King of Kings, the Wanax, ie., Agememnon had to convince his troops to follow him, they were under no obligation to take orders without
    a council meeting. The Macedonians operated this way as well, 5,000 armed men with spears clashing against shields, Philip and Alexander had to convince them to follow.

    Just one example.

    Read some books.

  92. MAKEDON Says:

    sources

    Freedom and Democracy is engrained in Greek Mythology and the Greeks believed it as the truth.

    Zues the Justice Giver, protector of freedom and democracy and man. Athena as well.

    Peace, Good Order, Justice, Law, these are all Greek Gods. Winged Victory, good shall prevail over evil, those guilty of Hubris shall be cut down, reserved for leaders, etc.

    These symbols are on old Greek coins and on modern coins like American Eagles, the Statue of Liberty is ATHENA, so is Lady Justice.

    Athena is made in the image of her father Zues,
    she too is a justice giver, avenger, holding Winged Victory or thunder bolt to strike, fair and even justice, goddess of freedom and democracy, crooked judgements will get you killed, Nike will strike you down.

    HESIOD’s work is a fast read.
    The Theogony
    The Works and Days

    HOMER is much longer read.
    Iliad
    Odyssey

    The four works above are the cornerstone of the WESTERN WORLD, scholars say so not me.

  93. foe of stupid Says:

    Athens was the only democracy, in the Iliad Agamemnon had to convince nations to follow him, not soldiers. Spartans were Dorians, helots were Mycaeneans. the thing we call democracy today is a republic, much like that of ancient Rome. Convincing soldiers to follow you is mostly because if you can’t convince them they will say, “We don’t care that we are supposed to obey you, we aren’t going.” Science was distributed evenly until the dark ages through medieval times, when it didn’t grow much in the WESTERN WORLD.

  94. herodotus Says:

    Makedon, you must have the wrong sources. The entire spartan society was based on protecting and following the true children of Hercules. And Hellas wasn’t even considered a country until Phillip of Macedonia ruled them all.

  95. herodotus Says:

    Oh, yeah the protector of democracy was the KING of gods? Really Tomfresh.you are an ignorant bastard!

  96. Graham Jappe Says:

    Hi
    Where can I obtain a full list of the Spartans who died at Thermopylae?

  97. MAKEDON Says:

    HERODOTUS

    How are any of your comments contradicting anything I wrote.

    Wrong sources, I don’t think so.

    I know the Heracledai, the Spartans of the Classical period are direct decendents of the
    Phillistines. The Phillistines were one Dorian tribe, and almost all Dorians considered themselves Heracledai, all were allies. The Macedonians as well in that tradition and pre-historic allies as well siding with Troy, even though they are not mentioned in the catalogue, all tribes north of and including Theassaly along with Dorian allies throughout the med.

    Even Thucydides tells us about this, Dorians,
    the Heracledai, the wrongfully expelled, coming back to seek revenge.

    And yes 1200BC, Hellas has a name and it is written in stone by Homer.

    So.

  98. MAKEDON Says:

    Philip ruled nothing, neither did Alexander.

    The Macedonians ran a Federal State, why would they rule anyone, Alexander did his job as elected Hegemon like his father was, once the Greek City States were freed of Persian rule, and gold and riches sent to Athens, Alexander absolved himself of further obligations to Mainland Greece and did his own thing, which was to bleed his country and people and set it up for destruction and occupation by Rome.

  99. Bernard Says:

    Great lesson of patriotism, determination, courage and focus.

    We, 21st century American, can learn a lot from that–especially liberals (those who can read).

  100. ARGO Says:

    The latest movie is nothing more than Hollywood embellishing on the historic facts and fictionalizing so that the masses will purchase tickets However, it brought out a true scholar ( Berowl ) to bring out the “true” historic facts. Take the movie for what it was, entertainment. Take Berowl for what he is, a thinker who dug for the truth and gave some of you assholes a forum to argue back and forth. The fact of the matter is the “stand and deliver”, when the chips are down, mentality the 300 SPARTANS exihbited at that time in histroy. “No greater sacrifice that a man lay down his life for another”. Can anyone really see any of our national, state, or local leaders exhibiting this kind of courage in modern time. It was briefly there after 9/11/2001. The only ones left out there now are our United States military and our national, state and local officials are ready to abandon them and their efforts. (For some the ultimate effort) All of the great empires and nations fell. They were destroyed from within by weak administrators and politicians not willing to say “enough is enough”, but, willing to placate to the minotity masses for their vote. They are willing to compromise our freedom for a “vote”. If we go back to 480 B.C. there were 300 SPARTANS and 700 THESPIANS willing to ensure you and I don’t have to speak the Persian language. I thank Berowl for giving me the opportunity to use his device to aire my comments and I ask all who have done so, are you ready to defend these United States in the same manner as those who have gone before us? Can any of you say I have that courage? GOD or history (Whom ever comes first) will be the Judge.

  101. nick Says:

    Yeah i read your page i thought it was quite well done, just a few things, to my knowledge the Persian army was estimated to be around 75,000, not 25-30,000, and the Spartans/thespians were estimated to have killed 20,000, lets not forget that the hoplite soldier was better protected and better armoured and a much more skilled fighter than any of the Persian contingents, the persians had light armour. also robes and shirts, and in Thermopylae the ranks of the greeks were highly impossible to penetrate(althought it had not been created yet, the were in a similar kinda formation as the phalanx) also being heavily protected by shield and strong in valor and heavy in their charge they were a better soldier than any Persian all round.
    Now lets remember also that the war was actually won at sea by the Athenians in the end, cos the Athenians were a better sailor than any army in that region,

    For the record my mother is a spartan, and i was brought up on these stories.

    “””Philip ruled nothing, neither did Alexander.

    The Macedonians ran a Federal State, why would they rule anyone, Alexander did his job as elected Hegemon like his father was, once the Greek City States were freed of Persian rule, and gold and riches sent to Athens, Alexander absolved himself of further obligations to Mainland Greece and did his own thing, which was to bleed his country and people and set it up for destruction and occupation by Rome.”””

    ….what kind of rubbish is this?????
    he did not free the greek states from persian rule, he united the greek states, then later united the greek and persian armies. And he did not set up his country for destruction and occupation by rome, on his death bed he parted the country into 4, and gave it four rulers, unfortunately those rulers got greedy and went to war on each other, weakening themselves to any external army….read your facts mate

  102. nick Says:

    “”””Athena is made in the image of her father Zues,
    she too is a justice giver, avenger, holding Winged Victory or thunder bolt to strike, fair and even justice, goddess of freedom and democracy, crooked judgements will get you killed, Nike will strike you down.””””

    how can a goddess who is a goddess of wisdom and military tactics, be a giver of peace???

  103. nick Says:

    Ha, ha your funny Tomfresh: “Democracy as we think of it now was invented by the US”
    Where do you think they got the idea in the first place? And if you think Greece was the only country with slavery

    ……what a lie, there were many nations at the time bearing slaves, ur like the eguiptions, babylonians, trojans…….???????????????????????

  104. nick Says:

    The Macedonians kept no slaves of any kind.

    ….are u sure??? it is well documented in history that alexander the great did have slaves and servants and also kept prisoners, u seem to make it like the macedonians were angels and u know that they certainly were not.

  105. nick Says:

    Xerses was said to be so concerned about his armies morale that apparently he had the some of his armies bodies secretly buried so that his army would not know about the heavy lose in which they conceived by such a small army

  106. Athenian Says:

    Hey Tomfresh read some books.You are completely immaterial to the subject.

    Μολων Λαβε

  107. Peter Says:

    I have traced my family history back to the Sparten’s, one of my ancestors died there….Well not actually there, he was camping in the next valley and went to complain about the noise…still a good job ‘B’.

    Am i wrong in thinking that on the final battle, with the Greeks out numbered about 3-1, they won by forming and pushing the Persians into a tight cicle and thus reduced the fighting ability of the Persians from 3-1 against to about 4-1 inthe Greek favour. They then as it were nibbled away at the circle, cutting out groups of Persians and killing them thus making the circle smaller till they won…..or was that someone else.

  108. Peter Says:

    Re The Macedonians.

    King Phillip 3rd of Macedonia asked The Spartens to surrender themselves in one battle stating …’If my armies enter your land, they will kill your armies, burn your farms and raze your towns and cities.

    He got a one word answer….”IF”…He never attacked and left them in peace.

  109. The Spartan Says:

    Re Peter:

    Hey Peter,

    I’m curious how did you manage to trace an ancestor that far back?
    Did you trace your family line on the internet? LOL, man come on your killing me.
    I’m Spartan from both my parents and their parents and so it went, but we could only trace our family so far back. Cause there is no documentation beyond that. With the Turks occupying Greece for over 300 yrs, they pretty much destroyed almost all historical writings that the churches possesed, ie: documented births,deaths etc.
    Now if your going by family repeating what they were told and so forth -that can only go so far, cause you know things get like broken telephone everyone starts to add there own bits & pieces to the story.
    Yes I know it would be nice to say your ancestor was there and trust me so would I, but hey you’ll never know so let’s leave it at that.

  110. brandon Says:

    So does anybody know how many persians died.

  111. heroditus Says:

    the numbers of Persians dead and the numbers of Persian solders present at the battle vary greatly. some still think the old 2 millinon, some have lowered it to 50,000

  112. heroditus Says:

    the numbers of Persians dead and the numbers of Persian solders present at the battle vary greatly. some still think the old 2 million, some have lowered it to 50,000 oh, it is impossible to date your ancestors to the spartan there accurately at all. Eventually the spartan helots rebelled and left the spartans to be farmers. the entire place was hurt severly when rome came and may records were destroyed, suck as names

  113. heroditus Says:

    such*

  114. heroditus Says:

    also, MAKEDON, you must have a brain as complex as an ant’s. Of course they all called them selfs Hellas, if they didn’t i would have used the English term “Greece”. they considered hem selves hellas from the first trogian war on, but they manged to fight each other every summer. athens and sparta fit in many wars but only so many were recorded.

  115. heroditus Says:

    oh, berowl, nice site. but i was reading from the top and i saw that you had said th full spartan army was in total 10,000. this may be untruthful, in one of Xerxes war dairy’s he stated that his adviser, an ex-spartan king, claimed the full force of the spartan military to be 50,000

  116. MAKEDON Says:

    NICK, Both your comments are wrong, you do not know history and you do not know the basics of the Gods and Greek Mythology, you have no idea and you call what I said “rubbish”.

    Above I listed sources which you have absolutely no knowledge of.

    Athena is a Goddess of War and Peace, same coin, she is made in her fathers image, Zues,
    protector of Freedom and Democracy,
    wielding Nike, “winged victory”.

    You have no idea.

    Law, Order, Justice, Peace are Greek Goddesses and are mutually inclusive, all the Greeks knew this, it was their Bible, Hesiod,
    The Theogony.

    And as far as the Roman destruction of Greece and Macedonia, Alexander set this up by bleeding and destroying his country and people, a lesson for future Empire builders, like Rome and so on , and nobody learns.

  117. MAKEDON Says:

    The Macedonian State Hammond

    The Miracle That Was Macedonia Hammond

    And all his other books, Hammond is the authority.

    These fit nicely with the other sources I mentioned above.

  118. Dan Says:

    Hello,

    I would like to advise you that it is against the law to plagaerise other people’s work. I was informed that this information was taken from Wikipedia, and having read it thoroughly I can see with some degree that it is. If it is not removed then actions will be taken.

    Regards

  119. Bruce aka Batman Says:

    I’m now 57yrs. old. The 300 Spartans Movie starring Richard Egan touched me deeply at the time. It taught me valor, courage, and overcoming fear when challenged with overwhelming obsticales. Now, a veteran of Vietnam and Son of a Naval Sailor retired (deceased) The 300 Spartans to me answers the questions to those who wonder, Why a man goes to battle for his beliefs. Death with Honor for Love of family and country……COME TAKE THEM…..with a price!!!!

  120. Adam Says:

    Just wanted to let you know,

    Xerxes’ army did not have a total of over two-million soldiers fighting in the battle of Thermopylae. Yes, he was in command of over two-million soldiers, but he only had about 150,000 soldiers participate in the battle.

  121. GREATEST HONOR IS TO DIE Says:

    well first off 300 spartans fought at the battle because spartans are obsessed with war. military strenght is there defence. anyways what happened to the other spartans in sparta after all the wars they were into. what did the queen do? the child do too.

  122. Lusitanian Says:

    Hello chaps! I’ve only just found ths site! Anyway all I can say is that Tomfresh is mistaken… “And i recommended YOU to use wikipedia if you wanted to learn more about Zoroastrianism. As its bound to be on there somewhere but, obvioulsy, you don’t need to, unless you want to convert.” he says this but is clearly ignorant! I have a friend from a Zoroastrian family, but he became a Christian! You CANNOT convert to Zoroastrianism! You are born into the family of such a family or you will NEVER be one!

    I found this site having just watched 300 again on DVD! Fab!

  123. dan Says:

    can som1 tell me a good site (besides this one) to go 2 cuz im doin a global research paper

    but this is a good site btw

  124. dan Says:

    Dan Picarel
    Rough Draft

    The Battle of Thermopylae was the most famous last stand in history. There were 300 Spartans, 500 Mantineans, 400 Thebans, and 1000 Phocians. The total amount of forces fighting for the Spartans was 5200 men. The Greeks had 324,000 allies in total, the Greeks had 2,641,610 men. The Greeks were lead by King Leonidas II, Xerxes was the leader of the Persian army. The Perian Empire stretched from the Indus River to the fringe of the Agean Sea. That was a total of three million kilometers. The Greeks lost the battle of Themopylae by Xerxes telling the Persians where to flank around the mountain side. Even though the Spartans were a small army, they were a fierce army, they took on almost 3,000,000 men.
    Herodotus attests a conversation that took place early in the expedition between Xerxes and Demaratus, an exiled Spartan king under his employment. Xerxes asked Demartus whether he thought that the Greeks would put up a fight, for in his opinion neither the Greeks nor even all peoples of Europe together would be able to stop him because the were disunited. ” First, they will never accept conditions from you that bring slavery upon Hellas; and second, they will meet you in battle even if all other Greeks are on your side. Do not ask me how many these men are who can do this; they will fight with you whether they have an army of a thousand men, or more than that, or less.” Xerxes laughed at this answer, claiming that “free men” of any kind of number would never be able to stand against his army, which was unified by a single ruler, and that duty to one single master would make his troops extremely courageous, or they would be led into battle “by the whip” even against an army of any size. Then Xerxes adds “Even if the Greeks have larger numbers than our highest estimate, we still would outnumber them 100 to 1”. He insisted that Xerxes’s army contained men who would gladly fight with three Greeks at once and that Demaratus was talking nonsense. To this Demaratus answered. “I would most gladly fight with one of those men who claim to be each a match for three Greeks. So is it with the Lacedaemonians; fighting singly they are as brave as any man living, and together they are the best warriors on earth. They are free, yet not wholly free: law is their master, whom they fear much more than your men fear you. They do whatever it bids; and its bidding is always the same, that they must never flee from the battle before any multitude of men, but must abide at their post and there conquer or die.” On the Persian army’s arrival at Thermopylae, Greek troops instigated a council meeting. Some Peloponnesians suggested withdrawal to the Isthmus and blocking the passage to Peloponnesus. They were well aware that the Persians would have to go through Athens in order to reach them there. The Phocians and Locrians, whose states were located nearby, became resentful and advised defending Thermopylae and sending for more help. Leonidas and the Spartans agreed to defend Thermopylae. The battle of Thermopylae took place on September 17-19 in 480 b.c. Xerxes I, king of Persia, had been preparing for years to continue the war against the Greeks started by father Darius. In 480 b.c, after four years of preperation, the Persian army and Navy arrived in Asia Minor. A fleet of ships had been lined up at Abydos. This allowed the land forces to cross the Hellespont.. Xerxes remained incredulous, finding it unbelievable for such a small army to battle with his own. Plutarch informs that he then sent emissaries to the Greek forces. At first, he asked Leonidas to join him by offering the kingship of all Greece. Leonidas answered: “If you had any knowledge of the noble things of life, you would refrain from coveting others’ possessions; but for me to die for Greece is better than to be the sole ruler over the people of my race.” Xerxes waited four days for the Greek force to disperse. On the fifth day he sent Medes and Cissians along with relatives of those who had died ten years earlier in the Battle of Marathon, to take the Greeks prisoner and bring them before him. They soon found themselves in frontal assult. Then Xerxes asked him more forcefully to surrender their arms. To this Leonidas gave his noted answer: “Come and get them.”
    The Greeks had a very well planned out stragedy to beat the Persians at Thermopylae. Some Greek city-states in the north submitted to the Persians rather than face destruction. One reason was because the stronger city-states in the south, such as Athens, Sparta and Thebes, had decided not to meet Xerxes in the north. Thus these latter city-states stood alone against the Persian giant. The Greeks together had three hundred ships and ten thousand men, with the ability to raise about fifty thousand. The Greeks realized that it was necessary that Xerxes be delayed as long as possible so that Athenians could desperatley build up their navy. They decided to send an expeditionary force north to meet Xerxes, to fight the Persians at hopeless odds, and to sacrafice themselves in order to improve the chances of ultimate victory. The Greek army was about ten thousand strong and in position at Thermopylae, when the Persians arrived. Xerxes was incredulous that they would take a stand against his immense army. After impatiently waiting four days while warning them to surrender, he launched a massive attack. The Greeks, as at the Battle of Marathon, initially retreated drawing the Persian army into a narrow pass. Then they turned and waged a furious battle against the limit number of Persian who had entered the pass, throughly routing them. Time and again the attacking Persians, including the elite immortals, were unable to get through. They decided to take this stand at Thermopylae. The congress first sent a force of 10,000 Greeks including hoplites and cavalry to the vale of Tempe, through which they believed the Persian army would have to pass. There is no mention of any Spartans. The force did include Lacedaemonians led by Euanetus, not of the Spartan royal family, and Athenians under Themistocles. Warned by Alexander I of Macedon that the vale could be bypassed elsewhere and that the army of Xerxes was overwhelming the Greeks decided not to try to hold there and vacated the vale. The allied Greeks judged that the next strategic choke point where the Persian force could be stopped was Thermopylae.They decided to defend it and send a fleet to Artemision, a naval choke point, as Xerxes’ army was being supplied and supported by sea. Using the fleet Xerxes’ army crossed the Maliacos bay and outflanked the Greek army. The legend of Thermopylae as told by Herodotus has it Sparta consulted the Oracle at Delphi before setting out to meet the Persian army. The overall commander of Greek forces was now Leonidas, who was generally admired. Herodotus writes that he was convinced he was going to certain death, as his forces were not adequate for a victory, and so selected only men with living sons. Plutarch mentions in his Saying of Spartan Women that, after encouraging him, Leonidas’ wife Gorgo asked what she should do on his departure. He replied, “Marry a good man, and have good children.”
    In conclusion, the battle of Thermopylae was the greatest stand in history. Both army’s did extremely well in battle

  125. dan Says:

    lol srry bout this i needed 2 do this so i can copy it from skool

  126. Anthony Gerardis Says:

    Hi,

    I note that you have already been asked this, but I cannot find your response. Does the actual list of the names of the 300 spartans (and their fathers) still exist? I understand that they were carved into a stone tablet, and periodically recited at a special ceremony to honour them, but i cannot find these names recorded anywhere. I really like your work here by the way, and the contributions of those who commented. Don’t take the criticisms badly, every bit of dialogue, however its framed, gets us thinking!

  127. herodotus Says:

    i don’t think it does, still exist, maybe it’s lost or any of the other thinfgs that anchient documents suffered.

  128. herodotus Says:

    i also wanted to mention that the 300 soldiers were not all from the 300 guaknights of sparta. three hundred was just a holy number, and only 17 of the ones at thermopylae were knights.

  129. Robert Says:

    Berowl,

    Great site! Thank you for taking the time to put it all together! In a world now full of sheeple & cowards, its nice to see that there are some left who can appreciate an epic part of mankinds history that will continue to be told for generations to come. Yes, it would be nice to have an actual account of exactly what took place.(However) Just read all the above again……. That said, this extrordinary battle did take place, so forget not the reality of it all. Freedom has never been free and it always come with a price. Just take a look around… Its costing everybody something everyday, no matter who or where you are…………..

  130. Xenos Says:

    The Iranians were heavily outnumbered! There were only 50,000 Iranians and 300 Spartans – do the math. Come and get ’em!

  131. The Spartan Says:

    I found this on another website in regards to the names of the 300.

    “Since all Spartan males served in the military, there was no higher honor than to be a part of the elite unit known as the ‘Hippeis’, who were the King of Sparta’s personal bodyguard. This unit was comprised of the 300 best Spartiati warriors who were held in the highest esteem by their fellow citizens in Sparta. These hoplites stood shield-to-shield protecting their king in the phalanx formation alongside with their countrymen.

    The Hippeis usually consisted of Spartans who were in their early to late twenties in age. However, King Leonidas ordered that only men with living sons would accompany him to Thermopylae, thereby guaranteeing that the Spartan hoplite’s bloodline would not extinguish with his death on the battlefield. However, it is highly improbable that all of these elite warriors had produced a male heir.

    Consequently, it can be concluded that the 300 Spartiates who fought at Thermopylae in 480 B.C. were comprised of a combination of Hippeis and battle hardened veterans.

    In one of the passages of Book 7, Herodotus wrote that he had seen the names inscribed on a pillar in Sparta of the Spartiates who fought and died with King Leonidas at Thermopylae. Pausanias who was a traveler, writer and geographer claimed to have also seen the memorial in the 2nd century A.D. He is not to be confused with the general and regent Pausanias who led the Spartans at the Battle of Plataea, nor the Spartan king (409-394 B.C) of the same name.

    Unfortunately, the pillar doesn’t exist any longer, destroyed by the ravages of time or perhaps some natural calamity. Therefore, the only names that exist are the few mentioned by Herodotus (see below).

    Dienekes (Dieneces) – Herodotus wrote that he was the bravest of the 300 and who was immortalized by not only his deeds, but the following: When told that “The Persians were so numerous that their arrows would blot out the sun”, his reply was “Good, then we shall fight them in the shade!” As a testament to Dienekes Spartan wit, Richard Egan as King Leonidas in 1962’s ‘The 300 Spartans’ spoke this line as did Michael Fassbender who portrayed Stelios in Warner Bros. ‘300’.

    Maron and Alpheus – Two Spartan brothers who also distinguished themselves and possessed that quality known as andreia, which in Greek means courage and bravery.

    Pantites – Sent away from Thermopylae on a diplomatic mission to enlist the services of the other Greek city-states. He later hanged himself because of the shame and the dishonor bestowed upon him by his fellow Spartans who thought he had loitered long enough not to engage in battle.

    Eurytus – Suffered a very severe eye inflammation which incapicatated him so much that he ordered his helot to guide him into battle and perished with the remaining Spartans on the final day.

    Aristodemus (Aristodamus) – Suffered the same inflammation as Eurytus, however, instead of fighting, returned back to Sparta and was labelled ‘The Trembler’ for not having fought and died with his fellow Spartans. Aristodemus’ redemption came when he stood in the front line of the phalanx at the Battle of Plataea, broke ranks and killed several Persians on his own before dying. ”

    This is the site: http://www.300spartanwarriors.com

  132. Henry Says:

    Thanks Tomfresh for filling what I wanted to write. It seems everyone made an assumption that Spartans were democrats in the sense that they know it from civil stuies class in high school. Sad fact is they were not. There were three tiers of people in their society and they considered themselves priveldged and above the others.

    This would be the weak point of their social order. Who know if that traitor did not do it as hated those that oppressed him. I am speculating here!!!!

    In pure military terms it was brilliant but that is about as far as it goes.

    Hence this statement in one of the comments is pure imagination

    “What we remember, what history remembers about this battle is how 300 men stood against slavery and tyrany to defend freedom over Greece, even if they where greatly outnumbered.”

  133. Henry Says:

    ARGO

    You are sure certain that Sparta saved democracy!!!

    However under Sparta you could have turned out to be in the group called Helots, which in US realities would translate to Black Slaves !!! Think a bit first and don’t react on your emotions.

    By the way, Cheney’s latest comments do not sound like he has any clue what are democracy is. Research this one as this is what is needed to be done to know something rather than to THINK that one knows something.

  134. ooblegop Says:

    whatever u do don’t show this movie 2 your kids

  135. Herodotus Says:

    The helots were slaves, yes, but they were respected in spartan society. Many were volunteers, refugees coming to Sparta to be saved by the glory it had. helots got to fight and die the death of warriors. if you count the helots, there were actually almost 700 Spartans. The worst thing that Spartans did, although the helots believed it was just part of life; and over generations got used to it (as some American slaves during our civil war stayed loyal to their masters fore it was the only life they knew,) was that at te end of the training each spartan killed an od, weak, useless helot.

  136. Sparta Says:

    The courage and bravery of these warriors is unsurpassed.
    I will be visiting Sparta and Thermopylae next year to pay my respects to a true warrior nation whose last stand preserved democracy and freedom.

    Go tell the Spartans, oh stranger passing by
    That here, obedient to their laws we lie.

  137. ZoRaN Says:

    SPARTANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    TONIGHT WE DINE IN HELL…č
    I didn’t know that ephialtes has existed and Immortals..I thougt that was just made up by Frank Miller in MOvie 300…

  138. Jeremy (Jerry) Keep Says:

    Hi Berowl, I remember covering this story as part of our history class back in the early 1960’s, I was fascinated by this remarkable story, the bits I remembered was how a scouting party, as you described went to see the obstacles ahead, reported back that they had seen a group of long haired blondes brushing their hair like a bunch of women, almost as if disregarding them as a threat, also as you decribed as they they fell their enemy, they withdraw so the approaching force had to walk over the bodies of their comrades, thus reducing moral.
    I seem to remember the pass as described as walled one side, and a sheer drop on the other, having never been to this pass I do not know how true that was, but they allowed their enemy to take fallen comrades back with them, I was very disappointed when I went to see 300 Spartans at the cinema, first because they spoke American, it was set on a very wide beach, they all had short dark hair, apart from that very close lol.
    Your whole article on this fantastic event is very good, well done a very enjoyable read, I feel any such event should never be forgotten, I only wish I knew where the story we covered at school came from, but it was one of those stories that sticks in your memory for ever. Jerry

  139. Emmie Says:

    this is a great article and i think Leonidas is tremendous and herroic!!!
    i was just wondering whether there is any accounts that compare with Herodotus’s view on the Battle of Thermopylae???
    thanx much appreciated!!!

  140. Edward Says:

    For those searching for the ultimate in last stands of history, look no farther than the Battle of Sarangarhi. Approx 20 Sikh soldiers vs 10,000 Afghan & other tribesmen. The sikhs decided to fight to the death rather than abandon their post and escape to nearby forts, which they could’ve done easily. 1879 (British India).
    This is not to diminish Thermopylae or any of the other great last stands.
    Cheers – Ted

  141. goose Says:

    the spartans were also homosexuals they preferred doin it with their fellow soldiers and they didnt care who nailed their wives, in fact they encouraged their wives to have many lovers so they could produce many kids.

    but the truth is that they were homosexuals

  142. maverick Says:

    Question:

    Spartans would won if the betrayed didn’t say anything about the path behind the spartans right?

  143. The Spartan Says:

    Response to “goose” who said: goose Says:

    August 20, 2008 at 12:02 am
    “the spartans were also homosexuals they preferred doin it with their fellow soldiers and they didnt care who nailed their wives, in fact they encouraged their wives to have many lovers so they could produce many kids.

    but the truth is that they were homosexuals”

    You have the Spartans mixed up with the Athenians, goose. They are the homos.

    If you really think about this story your mother told you it will all come back to you.
    How she doesn’t know who your father was cause she got banged by so many guys before and this goes back to your grandma & all her grandmas back in time.
    It’s ok that your lineage goes back to some muslim goat herder that banged his sons & goats. I know it sucks (no pun intended) that history will always look back at the persians who got their asses handed to them. (again no pun intended) And really, there are more muslim kids running around this world than Spartan true blood kids, so which nation has the bigger whores, goose?

  144. Harman Says:

    2,641,610/300=8806……so each spartan took on 8806 Persians? And at the end died.=[. the Sikhs fought at the battle of chamkaur. a million mughals vs 40 Sikhs… so that means 25000 mughals vs 1 Sikh. at the end the Sikhs came out victorious. with about 5-6 sikhs left…..3000 years ago the spartans fought……300years ago the sikhs fought…..spartans had help from about couple thousand more people. believe 1000000 vs 40!…..spartans suck compared to sikhs

  145. Darius Says:

    Long live Persia.

    To all those who pork their precious time in putting their thoughts, I respect you all for that.
    But lets not forget my beloved friends. Life is too short for the Journey of Truth.
    You talk about Spartans…Persians…Macedonian…Wars…etc,etc.. all day long.
    Please stop ! Read your History first in the Light of Truth. Dont be Perplexed or Convoluted in your own words and thoughts. It might be easier for you to talk but its difficult for others to react.
    You may find many books in Thy named libraries, Book Stalls, Universities, etc,etc.. but you cant find Truth in any of those places my friend. Real Truth lies within Yourself my friends, and is termed as Hidden Knowledge. Enlighten yourself now, as this is the only True reality, before it gets too late.
    Concerning Facts are Figures…, books can be published, History can be re-written, but none of them can be believed nor Trusted.
    So My Good Friend, use your Good Thoughts and Say Good Words and finally act Good Deeds, which is the only True Knowledge and Reality.
    The real Truth is within you, The Mtrix of Life is your True existence.
    So my friends Just fuck the crap and go for reality. It might be hard for some to accept it but easier for those with Virteous souls with True open minds.
    History has been written once and will never change untill the end. Only Time will tell. It has the True meaning of life.
    Persia is the beginning and it will be the end. All good shall follow the Path of Righteousness. The path to Freedom, The path to Immortality, The path to Self realization. You have to go the long long way to seek for real Truth.
    In the name of Truth which is we Persians give our Blood and Soul.
    Read The Shahnahme-Iran translated into several languages to know about the Unadulterated History of the World or look for the Truth in the 21 Nasks taken away by Greeks to Rome during the 1000 Wars b/w The Great Persian Empire with the True Romans.

    God Bless Alexandar The Great. The True Roman Emperor for trying to revieve the Power back to Persians and name it as Alexadria.
    May his soul rest in Peace. Amin.

  146. The Spartan Says:

    Darius,

    You’ve chosen your name well I see, stained for all of time as the fool who got his ass handed to him running away from battle only to be hunted down like a fleeing chicken by non other than Alexander.
    Known as the king & kings like Darius I, etc before him who watched on the side lines while their soldiers did the fighting.
    You talk about history and how it does’nt shed the real truth & not to believe in anything else except for your Iranian crap.

    So i’m looking into my inner soul & my existence tells me, my ancestors kicked your asses so hard back then that you guys still walk backwards.
    That’s the real truth otherwise i would be living like you in a 3rd world country assimilated by you Persians, waiting for food scraps, pointing a finger @ the Western world blaming them for all the evil & your misery and meanwhile your illustrious leaders live the life in luxury. THEN THEY PREACH TO YOU TO GO OUT & BLOW YOURSELF UP and your virgins are waiting in HEAVEN!
    Wake up man! Besides all my Greek ancestors that are up there in heaven, i can tell you that your virgins are No More!
    Just so you know Alexander was Greek, not Roman and he conquered the Persians.

  147. josh Says:

    the spartans are real fucking badass’s and no one, not no fagget persians, cant take that away from them. they whooped there ass and they cant do shit about it.

    so while u have fun preaching ur ” believe the truth ” bullshit just remember one thing, NO ONE FUCKING LIKE YOU! have fun killing yourself for sum stupid shit were u go up to get ur virgins and find out that leonidis and his crew fucked the shit out of them!

    and stop blaming the ” west ” for all ur problems, u guys have a shit economy, shit living, and how is that our fault? shut the fuck up and fuck a camal

  148. kkk Says:

    yo josh u right

  149. Carl Sofia Says:

    Could the Phocian one-thousand man withstand the
    Persian advance at the secret pass behind Thermopylae? If so, would this have meant a
    complete victory for King Leonidas?

  150. Carl Sofia Says:

    Could the Phocian one-thousand man army withstand
    the Persian advance at the secret pass behind
    Thermopylae? If so would this have meant a complete
    victory for King Leonidas?
    According to my research, I understand that the
    Phocians fled the pass because they feared their
    homeland was going to be invaded, thus leaving the
    pass completely unattended.

  151. Brett Says:

    What were the estimated losses to the persian forces each day.. and you should note the sea battle that also coexisted to make sure spartans were not flanked!

  152. Alexandros Says:

    Guys Keep things in percpective?
    1)No one said that the Greeks created the democracy you live today. The Greeks invented and put the ground work. Democracy is a living organism that evolves. All civilisations that embrassed the ideals of democracy that the Greeks created played their role in forming what we call democracy today.Maybe the Spartans and Athenians had slaves…well that was the concept of the day, that doesnt unnull the fact that they were the architects of a system that they call democracy that the rest of the world adopted to create what they live today.
    2. Stupid comments about gayism should be avoided.Mny have contributed to this talk with interesting insights with logical thinking. Calling the Greeks gay without going into research as the theory behind it is small minded and only makes you look bad.
    3. Leave religion out of this. Anw christianity did not exist at the time neither did the muslims. Xerxis called him self a god and i dodn’t see any xerxis religion existing today..so just leave your racist comments to the side
    4. Alexander the Great was a Great Warlord and nearly conquered the known world.But if you want to praise Greek culture please do so using the philosophers(there are so many take a pick) site the golden ages of Periklis and so forth.

    Please do not demise a part of th great Greek history with your insults and racism

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  154. Brian Says:

    heheheh this guy has a small dick!!!! 😛

  155. Jiovanni Says:

    This was one fo the most amazing battles ever to have occured on the face of the earth. Just the history of Sparta and how they picked and choosed which child would go on to be spartans versus those that were discarded. The religious overtones as well as one person’s desire to rule the world is only have of what makes this an increidble tale. The other half are those that are oppressed and are willing to fight and sacrifice themselves for freedom. Freedom of all sorts. Thats what makes this story timeless. This battle so important. It’s a continuing blueprint for all people, tribes, cultures and anyone breathing that the fight can only be won with the face of courage and the heart of love for family land country and tradition. Are we all that much different from our ancestors of the past ? Probably not …

  156. Spartan Soldier Says:

    @Freddy, youve got to be out of your mind to say those ridicoulis comments. The persians, like Iranians, and Iraqis are all scumbags! Thankfully for the spartans and thier allies the western world is what it is, and not some scumbag muslim country in the middle east. When people talk about history and the development of the world they talk about the Greeks. Never once have ever heard persians be mentioned, this does of course have to do with the fact persian people were too busy cutting each others heads off and riding camels.

  157. swb Says:

    hi, i’m doing a historical fiction project. I have to write a historical fiction story about the battle of thermoplyae. i’m assuming a role of a spartan in battle. Do you have any additional information for me?

  158. Sgt Fields, Ronald Says:

    I really enjoted this website and especially the different points of view on the battle the effects of the possible outcomes, freedom, sacrifice and dedication etc.
    I became interested in the whole 300 after our rather “nerdy” and “psycho” platoon leader named our platoon the “Hoplites”. He refused to see the new movie because he was afraid it would distort history.
    I saw the movie, got hooked, then began to research the battle and then all of the Greco-Persian wars.
    I am amazed actually at some of the tactic similarities we employ today on the battlefield. I am equally amazed at the continuing low level of skill used by the current Persian warriors.
    Anyway, I don’t want to get into all that I actually have some questions that i cannot seem to find answers to with regards to the battle of the 300 and I was hoping some of you might help me.
    First of all, why were there only 300 Spartans for the battle? I understand that the terain was a great equalizing asset, but even if it were that great these troops would need r and r.
    Also could someone please tell me the “true” origins to the 26mi marathon. Too many stories which are so close it gets confusing.
    That would be great if a couple of you chaps could help this “history virgin” out.
    One final note for this young man who calls himself Darius.
    Have you been to this enlightened part of the world? Have you seen the truth that this perverted religeon promotes? Have you seen the “rape rooms”? Have you seen the mass graves have you smelled the burning flesh created by your own?
    I wonder what “truth” these women and children felt as this was happening to them as thier families were forced to watch.
    That stench will forever be in my nose and there will NEVER be a night when I close my eyes that I do not see what I’ve seen.
    The simple fact is it is a culture that believes that it walks on water while it lives in the stone age.
    The value that it attaches to human life is less than we put on a dog but has the audacity to look at us as infidels!
    I personally don’t care what you believe or how you express it untill it conflicts with mine or affects the things I cherish. At that point my friend, I will get back on the plane, come back to YOUR neigborhood and FUCK YOU UP!
    Thank you for your time.

  159. dinggy Says:

    That guy on the internet likes to eat dog crap.

  160. dinggy Says:

    This is a great website !!!
    I ❤ you guys!


  161. i know dinggy and he is making some speech thing on this stuff. this place pimps the crib of the crippin person with pie ;)..
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  165. LeeMills Says:

    Hi,

    One of the best descriptions of the battle at Thermopylae. The issue of the size of the Persian army is definately wrong. According to Herodotus, the army size was 2,641,610. One theory put forward to explain this is a miscalculation by Herodotus or his interpreter which multiplied the army by ten. That would still number Xerxes army at 264,161. Still a huge figure but believable. That would mean that if 28,000 Persians were killed at Thermopylae, over 10% are killed even before the main battles. Any very well done for this description, top marks!


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  168. Bridget Says:

    I thought the monument stated
    “Here we lie by OUR WILL….”
    and some other stuff abbout being loyal and that they are fighting by their own will and determination. That the Spartens will not be conqured by the Persians( sorry if I missspell some words) and that they are strong. Sparten will not fall to anyone, and they’ll fight to the death to prove it.

  169. michael Says:

    thanks guys for giving these facts ill tell your names in my project im only eleven and i saw the movie and after i saw the movie i was getting obsessed with this stuff thanks again

  170. michael Says:

    oh yeah im doing a project for gales (gifted classes) and im doing on this whole war so thanks again

  171. kev Says:

    Thanks i needed it for a project.

  172. SPARTA57 Says:

    I JUST GOT A 1804 HISTORY BOOK ,AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE SPARTANS GOING TO THERMOPYLEA AND STARTING THE THE BATTLE WITH A NIGHT RAID INTO XERXSES CAMP, ANYONE HAVE ANY MORE INFO ON THIS ?

  173. Joyce Says:

    hehe I am so HAPPY to find this website seriously!!! I am from Malaysia but I am very into Ancient history especially Greece and working on an infographic (as I am major in Visual Communication) regarding life of a Spartan and of course the people who involved in this particular battle!! I have read up lotssss but it seems that this is the most accurate one! hehe Thanks lots berowl for summarizing it and people who commented!! – With love =)

  174. Joseph Says:

    Thanks, I needed this!

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  176. Arya Says:

    Hi, I know you have tonnes of complimentary comments on here. So I just say, thanks. And also would like to know, if you could sent in any reference about the Medes.Cheers

  177. Anterea Says:

    WOW !!!!!

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  178. Spartan Says:

    I have taken a course on Anceint Civilization and as i recall there was a total of 12000 greek soldiers and at mid day to night of the secound day the army had start to retreat only 7300 soldiers remained 300 of witch were spartans. this Army of 12000 was up aganst about 1.75 million Pesian soldiers and for every greek soldier they killed atlease 50 cause there was a totle of 550000 Persians killed and at the first day they killed 25000 Persians by pushing them off the edge of the clift. Bravo berowl Excelent work on the fact of the Battle although unforuntaly the Spartans had lost this Battle but later on Greek had won the war

  179. Unknown1234 Says:

    Leonidas is a truly great warrior!

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  181. […] site with a more in depth description of the story and a lively debate of comments.  Some really good […]

  182. Arunava Das Says:

    Awesome man, simply awesome!!!..Reading all about the battle, i simply had goosebumps!!!
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  183. nallie Says:

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  184. Sean Says:

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  186. jake Says:

    I dont mean to sound like an idiot, but i was very disappointed to see the spartans loose that battle. they worked hard to win the fight but lost. that was very sad.

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  188. Andrew Ngwenya Says:

    An all inspiring stand for a cause more noble than self; that those exceptonal men chose to give their lives for their city states…For the freedom of their women and children.Remarkable! Job well done for such an incredible account of what really went down,found it exciting.


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  190. chris Says:

    Dude, thanks for this information, I’m using it for a research paper on the Battle of Thermopylae in English II in HS. But yeah, thanks, no I will not plagiarize this but yah…

  191. theodore Says:

    I’m interested to know who ruled after Leonidas and what events occured afterwards. What happened to Queen Gorgo?

    • Dylan Says:

      I think it was Leonidas’ uncle until Leonidas’ son became of age. I do not know for sure though.
      By the way, Berowl, nice job – I enjoyed the read and helped me with my Classics essay – cheers!

  192. NOLAN Says:

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  193. crooger100 Says:

    um does anyone know how many waves/attacks the Spartans endured. I’m lazy and don’t want to do the math

  194. braidon Says:

    i also really found this website very informational. i was reading some of the comments on here and there is a random comment from someone that is a continuous list of a random pattern. how does he have the time to take that long to do that or have the patients to do all of that. lol


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  196. […] 300 Spartans‘ Battle of Thermopylae « The Little Daily Prophet 2The rationale behind this criterion was that the Spartans knew their death was almost certain at Thermopylae. Plutarch mentions, in his Sayings of Spartan … […]

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